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CLE802A
07-04-2011, 02:28 PM
I keep reading on these message boards about this incoming recruiting class (the 2011 one) being Clemson's "best ever"....and I must say that I am pretty confused.

Pretty much ALL the online recruiting services say that this is NOT Clemson's best class ever. The 2008 class was ranked better in most every way: in team rankings, in average stars, in total star points. The 2011 class was top heavy with a few prospects, but once you get past the top 5-10 prospects the class becomes actually mediocre.

With the concerns about the program's direction in recent seasons, and the first losing season since 1998, should it's fanbase be so excited over a class of essentially a handful of players? Clemson obviously needs more than 3-5 players to right it's ills.

The 2008 class was highly heralded by Clemson Nation. It brought in such talents as Bowers, Ellington, Harper, Parker, Allen, Adams, Ford, Jones. Etc. etc. etc. That class has gone 22-18 in 3 years in CU, including 1-2 versus it's bitter in-state rival. Hardly eye-popping production....

The biggest reason most CU fans can point to for that class not reaching it's supposed potential was the coaching. But William Swinney has been the head coach for the vast majority of those 3 seasons. He's still coaching there. You now have a new offensive coordinator in Chad Morris, but IMO not many Tiger fans are taking into consideration just how unproven he truly is at the college level. Morris experienced some success in his one and only year as OC at Tulsa, but he came into that program - out of a career as a high school coach - only to find the entire offensive roster ready-made for his system. Because they had been running his system there for several years already. All the players there were recruited for his system, were familiar with his terminologies and pace of running the offense. And let's face it: Tulsa is one of the more competitive programs in the Conference USA, after being middle-of-the-pack (at best) in the Western Athletic Conference.

No, the program at Tulsa was all laid out for Morris - or ANY OC who ran Malzahn's type of offense - to have success there, and Morris did. Now at CU, he finds a roster of players who were not familiar with his system....upperclassmen who will need to totally wipe their collective consciousness of what they learned under Napier, and do it a different way for Morris. In a conference that - as weak as the ACC typically is - is still a step or two above the CUSA. The task seems daunting....

Everything at best seems to indicate that we should be patient for success at CU. Relying on true freshman to accomplish what seasoned juniors and seniors could not do is foolhardy at best, but that seems to be Tiger Nation's Best Hope for 2011. Even though everything seems to weigh against it actually happening....


This is what is commonly referred to as "whistling in the dark", Tiger fans. What would be YOUR rationale for placing so much hope on this lone, solitary recruiting class??

:confused:

cubarb1991
07-04-2011, 04:25 PM
Go eat some barbeque or apple pie...it's the 4th of July

Mpeay
07-05-2011, 10:02 AM
Why does this clown always come onto this board and write books and act like any one on here gives a crap what he writes.

Cleo if you are going to post here, short and sweet. Stop writing books. It's pathetic and shows you have way to much time on your hands.

Tiger80
07-06-2011, 09:25 AM
Hmmmmmmmm? I would suggest that claiming a bunch of young men the best recruiting class is a bit premature. The class is ultimately only as good as the record they had on the field, although they are not entirely to blame for less than stellar won/lost records.

CLE802A
07-06-2011, 08:33 PM
Why does this clown always come onto this board and write books and act like any one on here gives a crap what he writes.

Cleo if you are going to post here, short and sweet. Stop writing books. It's pathetic and shows you have way to much time on your hands.

I'm sorry My Pea....I have tried in the past to just post pictures and images for you in order to convey my opinions, but I think the image-posting feature has been disabled by the admin. In the future, just PM me in advance and I will PM back to you a condensed version of any thread post I've posted, that you may feel overwhelmed by....


;)

CLE802A
07-06-2011, 08:39 PM
Hmmmmmmmm? I would suggest that claiming a bunch of young men the best recruiting class is a bit premature. The class is ultimately only as good as the record they had on the field, although they are not entirely to blame for less than stellar won/lost records.

I agree wholeheartedly with you on this, Tiger80. This was the point of my OP, as I have been reading a lot of comments about this incoming class as being program-saviors or something similar. As with all classes, fundamentals coaching and development of athletics plays as big a role in a program's success as anything else, including the talent base. Obviously, that doesn't mean you can take kids with NO talent, skills, or athleticism and mold them into champions, but it also doesn't mean that bringing in top talent will also guarantee it either.

Being able to develop the team, prepare an effective game-plan, and execute it on the field against live opposition has been major issues with Swinney and his staff the past 2 seasons. IMO, Clemson fans should wait until they see what the caliber of product he and Morris will put out onto the field, before they proclaim any one recruiting class as champions.....

cubarb1991
07-07-2011, 07:11 AM
^^^^^All I have to say is that if you can't get excited about "it" and be hopeful, what's the dang point???

Tiger80
07-07-2011, 01:17 PM
^^^^^All I have to say is that if you can't get excited about "it" and be hopeful, what's the dang point???

I am afraid I don't follow your logic. Perhaps I am simply pragmatic. I can't get excited because for the past twenty years I have been disappointed with Clemson football. Until I see a positive trend, I will remain hopful, but not necessarily excited. Getting excited requires too much emotional energy that I am not prepared to give until I believe I will get a return on my investment.

cubarb1991
07-07-2011, 01:30 PM
I am afraid I don't follow your logic. Perhaps I am simply pragmatic. I can't get excited because for the past twenty years I have been disappointed with Clemson football. Until I see a positive trend, I will remain hopful, but not necessarily excited. Getting excited requires too much emotional energy that I am not prepared to give until I believe I will get a return on my investment.

So you're not excited to see a new offense and the new pieces that have been put into place? I can't live my life without hope sorry. Call me a homer, but I prefer optimist. Life is too short my friend. Hopefully our players will decide that the past 20 years don't matter. Dang why should they care if we don't?!?

CLE802A
07-07-2011, 07:25 PM
There is a difference between hope that something WILL happen, and excitement in something as if it happening is an inevitability....a foregone conclusion. What Tiger80 is simply saying is that he is hoping - like you - that this something will happen, but will wait to get excited until he actually sees it happen. That's actually a very wise approach to college sports, and Clemson has shown recently that it's also the best approach regarding their football program.....

cubarb1991
07-08-2011, 06:20 AM
Tis better to have loved and loss than never loved at all. I guess I just have a different philosophy on life. Those that know me know that I live wide open with a smile on my face. I expect greatness out of Clemson...I am too invested not too expect that. If it falls short, you pull yourself back up by your bootstraps and try to change.