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[CLE802A]

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[CLE802A]

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[360online]

Enjoy it while you can. As Anthony said "We're coming!!!"

[CLE802A]

Enjoy it while you can. As Anthony said "We're coming!!!"

Haha....no one knew what 22-18 means??

22-18 is Clemson's football record since 2008. 2008 was the previous "All Time Great" recruiting class that CU brought in, and Willy Swinney was the head coach for 90% of that classes time in the upstate. He's taken them to a glorious 22-18 record, which includes a division title when the division was down, a losing season, and a 1-2 coaching record against CU's fierce in-state rival. 22-18, with opponents like Duke, Coastal Carolina, North Texas, and Presbyterian keeping that record from being a losing record....

Now Clemson fans say that they are "back to the big-time" with this class that Swinney just brought in. They say this class is the "All Time Great" recruiting class ever brought in. The recruiting services - who are directly and entirely responsible for giving these prospects and class their star ratings and team rankings, that all you CU fans go by - say otherwise...

They all say the 2008 class was better: better ranked, with a better star ranking average, and in an overall better-quality class of prospects nationally, to be compared against. And what did that 2008 recruiting class do for Clemson??

22-18.....


Discuss....

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[cubarb1991]

Clea, I really respect all of your research. I wish I had as much time on my hands, but as a mother of two I don't. I truly think you might have a future as an SID;)

[CumminsTiger]

clea, i really respect all of your research. I wish i had as much time on my hands, but as a mother of two i don't. I truly think you might have a future as an sid;)



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[CLE802A]

Clea, I really respect all of your research. I wish I had as much time on my hands, but as a mother of two I don't. I truly think you might have a future as an SID;)

Thank you, cubarb! And I certainly do not mind sharing my info with you, so that we can all enjoy!

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[icmcumin]

Clea, I really respect all of your research. I wish I had as much time on my hands, but as a mother of two I don't. I truly think you might have a future as an SID;)

He has a future in a rubber room.......... the guy is a donut........

[Mpeay]

0-11 discuss.


That was your record less than 10 years ago.

[CLE802A]

0-11 discuss.


That was your record less than 10 years ago.

Less than 10 years ago?? I would ask you to focus harder on more current events, but it's apparent that you don't know what year you're actually in....

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[Mpeay]

Really? so you can talk about the past but I can't? How about you keep your down syndrome love for male organisms on your own kinds board?

[CLE802A]

Really? so you can talk about the past but I can't? How about you keep your down syndrome love for male organisms on your own kinds board?

The topic for this thread is about the past 3 seasons at Clemson, and how Clemson's great 2008 recruiting class - which was more heralded than this year's class, btw - has barely contributed to a better than .500 record. You are welcome to start your own thread with your own topic(s), if you don't want to participate/contribute to mine.... :)

[Mpeay]

We don't have to contribute crap to your tard topics, if i want to discuss the moon in this thread from here on out I am more than sure the Clemson fans on here would discuss that with me.

But back to your point, if you seriously think that 2008 class is more heralded than this years class, there really is no help for you, and I really mean that how in the world did you make it past kindergarten if you really think that. I actually am feeling bad for you now.

[CLE802A]

We don't have to contribute crap to your tard topics, if i want to discuss the moon in this thread from here on out I am more than sure the Clemson fans on here would discuss that with me.

But back to your point, if you seriously think that 2008 class is more heralded than this years class, there really is no help for you, and I really mean that how in the world did you make it past kindergarten if you really think that. I actually am feeling bad for you now.

I didn't say that I think the 2008 class is more heralded....I said that ESPN, Rivals, and Scout all say that. What recruiting site are you referring to? Or, that you follow or hold as more knowledgeable over those three I named? If you disagree with those three, then please by all means discuss why......

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[Mpeay]

So we had a class that was better than 10 in the country in '08 according to espn? or 8 according to rivals? Bc when i look back this is by far our best year. You know with having 4 different 5 star recruits according to rivals. Which was the most for any time in the country this year and if i'm not mistaken tied for the most over the last 8 years or so. So no I do not trust you and your chicken words when everything I seen and heard says this class is way above and beyond any class we have had since the Danny Ford days.

[CLE802A]

So we had a class that was better than 10 in the country in '08 according to espn? or 8 according to rivals? Bc when i look back this is by far our best year. You know with having 4 different 5 star recruits according to rivals. Which was the most for any time in the country this year and if i'm not mistaken tied for the most over the last 8 years or so. So no I do not trust you and your chicken words when everything I seen and heard says this class is way above and beyond any class we have had since the Danny Ford days.

ESPN had Clemson with the #2 class overall, behind only Miami that year. ESPN did not use star ratings back then, but they had Bowers as a 95 and Harper as a 86, using their point rating system that they still use today. ESPN has CU with only 2 5* prospects in Watkins and Peake for 2011, but both of them have a point rating of 85, which would make both only 3rd-best on the 2008 class.....

Rivals does show CU with four 5* prospects.....they only showed CU with 1 in 2008. So what does that mean? CU's '08 class had a 3.42 average star rating, and a class point total of 2,113. The '11 class - with those four 5 stars - has a 3.34 average star rating, and point total of 2,173. But the '11 class has 29 prospects in it, compared to 26 for the '08 class. So that's a point average of 81.3 per player for the '08 class, and 74.9 per player for the '11 class. Again, what does all this mean? By every way to break down the classes, the '08 class is superior to the '11 one......

Scout had the '08 class ranked #11, with two 5*, an average star rating of 3.35 and a 3,742 point total (143.9 pts per player). The '11 class is ranked #12 with one 5*, a 3.24 ASR and 3,481 point total (120.0 ppp). Again, in every way, Scout shows the '08 class to be superior...

So, why would Rivals have a class with four 5* prospects as being worse than a class with only 2? Perhaps it's because once you get past those 5* players, the rest of the '11 class drops off big time. Further, the overall #1 recruiting class for the 2011 cycle - Alabama - had a class point total of 2,632. That's the lowest point total for a #1 recruiting class by Rivals since Rivals started ranking classes. In other words, since the existence of Rivals.com. In fact, the top 10 of the '11 class is among the lowest-rated by Rivals all time.

Also with Scout...well, Scout revised their recruiting ranking system beginning with the 2007 class....they used to have top classes with point totals under 3K, but beginning in '07 started having them exceed 5K. But beginning with that '07 class, the 2011 overall #1 class per Scout - Florida State - has the lowest point total yet (4,596).

So why is this? IMO, the systems of the recruiting sites are the same as previous years - beginning in '07 at least, for Scout.com - but the way they've rated prospects individually have changed. Or, in the minds of those sites, this year's crop of talent is overall not as good?

Who knows. But it says a lot that Clemson's 2011 class is not as highly rated by those services as the '08 class, in a recruiting year when overall ALL classes are down....you would think all those 5* players would boost your class into the top 5. Or at least higher than the '08 class.....

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[CLE802A]

So we had a class that was better than 10 in the country in '08 according to espn? or 8 according to rivals? Bc when i look back this is by far our best year. You know with having 4 different 5 star recruits according to rivals. Which was the most for any time in the country this year and if i'm not mistaken tied for the most over the last 8 years or so. So no I do not trust you and your chicken words when everything I seen and heard says this class is way above and beyond any class we have had since the Danny Ford days.

Ahh.....so you say this class is better based upon those 4 recruits? Just those 4 recruits are going to lift the program up onto their shoulders and save the day? I'm talking about the entire class, not just a handful of the players within it, and I guarantee you the program right now needs far more help than what 4 players can provide. If that's what you're saying....

[FadedTiger]

Haha....no one knew what 22-18 means??

22-18 is Clemson's football record since 2008. 2008 was the previous "All Time Great" recruiting class that CU brought in, and Willy Swinney was the head coach for 90% of that classes time in the upstate. He's taken them to a glorious 22-18 record, which includes a division title when the division was down, a losing season, and a 1-2 coaching record against CU's fierce in-state rival. 22-18, with opponents like Duke, Coastal Carolina, North Texas, and Presbyterian keeping that record from being a losing record....

Now Clemson fans say that they are "back to the big-time" with this class that Swinney just brought in. They say this class is the "All Time Great" recruiting class ever brought in. The recruiting services - who are directly and entirely responsible for giving these prospects and class their star ratings and team rankings, that all you CU fans go by - say otherwise...

They all say the 2008 class was better: better ranked, with a better star ranking average, and in an overall better-quality class of prospects nationally, to be compared against. And what did that 2008 recruiting class do for Clemson??

22-18.....


Discuss....

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Spurrier has been at USCe for 6 seasons now and his best record is 9-5 which was this past season. In fact it can't be argued...this past season was the best Crotchbird season ever....................wait for it................wait for it...................and Dabo matched that record in his first full season as Clemson's coach....lol

2005 7-5
2006 8-5
2007 6-6

Clearly you can see in his first 3yrs the All Mighty ball sack has a dominate 21-16 with an envious bowl record of 1-1 [never mind him missing that bowl game that 3rd year. I mean it happens to everyone that are 6-0, ranked #6 in the nation and lose 6 straight games]


so i rebut with this....

How's that 2007 class working for you? 4th ranked class in the nation right?

[CLE802A]

Spurrier has been at USCe for 6 seasons now and his best record is 9-5 which was this past season. In fact it can't be argued...this past season was the best Crotchbird season ever....................wait for it................wait for it...................and Dabo matched that record in his first full season as Clemson's coach....lol

2005 7-5
2006 8-5
2007 6-6

Clearly you can see in his first 3yrs the All Mighty ball sack has a dominate 21-16 with an envious bowl record of 1-1 [never mind him missing that bowl game that 3rd year. I mean it happens to everyone that are 6-0, ranked #6 in the nation and lose 6 straight games]


so i rebut with this....

How's that 2007 class working for you? 4th ranked class in the nation right?

The only problem with this comparison, is that Spurrier came into USC with very little to work with left from the Holtz Administration......he had essentially a month to put together a recruiting class - which still was good enough talent-wise to rate a top-25 ranking. However, it wasn't made up of the best people character-wise. Spurrier then had to deal with internal issues inside the program involving the '04 USC-CU game as well as other issues, and wound up kicking a substantial number of players out of the program. Ultimately some 80% to 90% of that first recruiting class would be kicked out or forced to move on from the program by 2007. This was the 2005 class, mind you....

He had no QBs, no RBs, no OL of any substance to speak of. He had WRs in Rice and McKinley which were all-time great. Our best season in the early going - 2006 (when we beat Clemson and won the bowl) - our OL was led by walk-ons. In '06, our entire defense was made up of starters that had 0 previous starts, minus one player (DB Fred Bennett). Spurrier really had to start from bone scratch when he took over our program...

Swinney had the 2008 recruiting class coming in. He had back-to-back near top 15 classes from '06 and '07 (both were ranked #16 by Rivals). Clemson fans trying to glorify Swinney and whatever accomplishments he's achieved tend to forget that Clemson was a pre-season top-10 pick heading into the 2008 season, and the unanimous choice to win the ACC, based on supposedly the talent already in place as well as the talent coming in that class. Of course that was an over rated projection, but Clemson still was far more talented when Swinney took over than USC was in 2005.

Bowden getting fired mid-season definitely shook the program and killed the direction the team established before the season, and it also essentially destroyed their highly projected 2009 recruiting class (did I ever get the chance to say: Thank You? :p ), but they still had the '08, '07, and '06 classes for Swinney to build off of. Swinney was involved with recruiting a ton of those players...his OC was involved with a ton more. They both knew how the CU offense was run, and didn't really make any drastic changes. My opinion on this is that it was because both Swinney and Napier were too inexperienced as game-planners to change anything.

So they ran the same system that Spence and Bowden operated (basically). Unlike Steve Spurrier, who's offense was more closer to Skip Holtz' than Lou's, but by the time SOS got there USC was running the Lou-preferred, run-heavy veer attack. So Spurrier had to totally revamp the Gamecock offense, as well as replenish the roster talent AND find a coaching staff in short order. Swinney kept most of the Bowden staff, and only needed to bring in a DC from the outside.

IMO, the 2006 recruiting class for USC was greatly underrated.....it brought in an entire secondary that plays in the NFL today. It brought in Brinkley and Norwood, among others, and accounted for the basic two-deep roster we've played for about 3 years until the players from the '07 class could get footholds.

The 2007 class was the highest rated for any USC class, for as long as there have been others ranking classes. In some areas, it has turned out poor (like the WR position). In others, it has earned it's stripes.

You ask how that class is working out for us? The members of it that never red-shirted went 2-2 versus Clemson....the ones that were have an excellent chance of going 3-1. I bet you wish your '08 class could say that.....the ones that have already flown the tater patch went 1-2 against us......

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[howieblack85]

23-17 0 bowl wins and lose in champ game... ohhhh wow but lete me guess its cause yall didnt have the great recruiting classes!!!

[CLE802A]

23-17 0 bowl wins and lose in champ game... ohhhh wow but lete me guess its cause yall didnt have the great recruiting classes!!!

USC fans rejoicing over how the 2007 class was our best recruiting class ever (because by all data and rankings available to us today, it actually was), but since then NO QUESTION USC fans are frustrated over our record pre-2010. But all that really has nothing to do with my thread, and your response in it has pretty much nothing to do with it's topic....

Still to this day, that 2007 class was ranked better than EITHER your 2008 class OR your 2011 class in most ways, by most of the recruiting services (only ESPN had the '08 class better of the three main services including Rivals and Scout).

The purpose of this thread was to remind you of how well CU has performed with it's historical recruiting class, now that Tiger Nation is all aglow and excited about this year's class, and how proclamations are ringing out on how this class will be the savior for the program. Tiger Nation said all that back in '08, too. Said y'all were back as an elite program on a national scale. Predicted y'all would go 12-0 that season, and beat Florida for the national title. Had fun on all the CU boards at the time with Alabama fans, saying how you'll blow them out in August, and how Bama is a dinosaur from the past, and their championship-winning days are long gone behind them.

I'm just trying to show all y'all the other side of that coin, before y'all go ahead and do all that all over again.....

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[howieblack85]

so the point being your still 23-17 and were 22-18 whats the point the recruting classes.. whoopie doo... you have the Saviour Clowney now so dont worry.. youll be ok... especially when i see all the WR you Recruited 0 RB 0 so what happens after Lattimore ( Reids ####) and Alshon Leave what rely on a DED and a quick 5'10 WR who prolly will be a DB....

[CLE802A]

so the point being your still 23-17 and were 22-18 whats the point the recruting classes.. whoopie doo... you have the Saviour Clowney now so dont worry.. youll be ok... especially when i see all the WR you Recruited 0 RB 0 so what happens after Lattimore ( Reids ####) and Alshon Leave what rely on a DED and a quick 5'10 WR who prolly will be a DB....

Hmmm.......I see 3 WR and 2 RB signees in our 2011 class. What recruiting service are you looking at??

That's why I'm amused at all this hype over a single class.....USC has brought in better rated classes than CU in recent years too....we've brought in a ton of WR talent in the past 2 classes....pretty substantial RB talent as well. We lost a very talented WR to the NFL with Gurley opting to leave, but still have Jeffery, Moore, Barnes, Sanders, Scruggs, Smith, and Jones....not counting those 3 incoming freshmen. Barnes will be our lone senior next season......I'm expecting Alshon to be leaving after next season, as he's an iron-lock 1st-round pick, but after that all the other WRs are going to be JR, SO, or FR. So we're fine there, and we will keep reloading.

As far as RB, we currently have 5* Lattimore, 4* Baker, and 3* Miles not including the 2 RBs coming in. We lost 4* Giles who transferred out due to lack of playing time. For the 2012 class, we're already in strong position with the top projected RB prospects in PA, GA, and NC. The NC RB is going to be a front-runner for #1 overall prospect for the 2012 class. That's all not including the commitment we already have from 2012 RB Kendric Salley, who is the projected top RB prospect for SC in 2012. And we have Lattimore for 2 more seasons, not one: he can't leave for the NFL until 2013....

That's what I mean about these classes: Clemson's 2011 class is definitely a quality class. But what have you done with your existing talent from past classes? During our game last November, you could go to any of the CU fanboards, and you'd read the same thing: USC is the more talented team. Heck, y'all said that here in the game thread. So what will this one class do for you?

We've already gotten our talent. Alshon and Marcus have been performing like top rated 5* studs should (even though Alshon wasn't ranked as one). Taylor should be a pre-season 1st-team All-SEC coaches pick at DE this summer. Gilmore is a top player in the conference. And now we're bringing in Shell (a Scout.com 5*) and Clowney (a Rivals 5* and consensus no.1 overall). Two Top-10 nationally rated 4* DTs in Quarles and Dukes. Next recruiting cycle, we expect to bring in a smaller class (20 to 25), but it should be loaded in talent, thanks to our winning the SEC-East, and especially if we can stay around the top-10 in the rankings next season and win the East again, which we are favored to do.

By then, the other teams in the East should be returning to their normal competitive selves, and we can then see how we stack up to them with the talent we have collected. And we can see if this 2011 savior of a class of yours has done any better than your 2008 savior of a class did.....

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[howieblack85]

1 rb 2 wr one which will be a DB and some ath.. like I said pretty much nothing!!! you are aware tha Your Gamecocks are painting a target on your back.. for your already smack talking.. so be careful.. JaDAVEon hasnt even took a College Snap and yall act like hes Jesus Christ himself!

[howieblack85]

Oh and I promise Kendreick Salley wont be making it to Cola anytime soon.. so bring your A## down from the clouds and back to reality!

[CLE802A]

1 rb 2 wr one which will be a DB and some ath.. like I said pretty much nothing!!! you are aware tha Your Gamecocks are painting a target on your back.. for your already smack talking.. so be careful.. JaDAVEon hasnt even took a College Snap and yall act like hes Jesus Christ himself!
Oh and I promise Kendreick Salley wont be making it to Cola anytime soon.. so bring your A## down from the clouds and back to reality!

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